they need a financial salvation or a relational salvation or a physical salvation from an illness, something like that. it's a time to really look to god for salvation. and then in the third, it says, you will have peace on earth, good will towards men. that's the reconciliation. you know as well as i do, a lot of times people go home for holiday, it's something but reconciliation. a lot of bad relationships. it's time for forgiveness, a time for reconciliation, time to restore harmony. so i tell people, i say have fun, look to god, and get right with your friends and neighbors. that's the purpose of christmas. >> it's interesting you said it's hope to everybody. it's a misconception, i think, that it's only for christians. >> it says for all people. in fact, this christmas, my message is actually called for all people. when i started saddleback church, we were a lily white angelo suburban church in 1980. today our church speaks 67 languages. >> really?